Subject	Its not fair to say Mike Smith overpriced his manifolds
Posted by	kuah@splparts.com on November 30, 2010 at 4:34 PM
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In Reply To	I have firsthand data with their manifolds, O2 sensors and posted by ZiNnYc on November 30, 2010 at 02:47 PM
Message	Manufacturing costs here are MUCH MUCH higher than in China (typically 5-10x higher). In addition, he had to amortize the costs for him to R&D the molds (make mold, produce a sample part, flow test it, modify and repeat many times). Knowing what I know about manufacturing and R&D costs, $1100 was a very fair for a pair of manifolds. Also on his first few runs, Mike Smith had to port/clean up the manifolds by hand himself, which was labor intensive for him.
Follow Ups	AMS Performance - new2boost 12:31:04 11/30/10 for me it was the MS manifold copies - blackomega 12:36:46 11/30/10 Wow thats some bs. Thanks for clarification on that. - new2boost 12:57:55 11/30/10 different ams company, please correct me if i'm wrong - vulcanrush 12:59:05 11/30/10 correct (n/m) - KasbeKZ(VA) 13:11:38 11/30/10 I thought they were the same but maybe they are different - new2boost 13:23:03 11/30/10 the usa ams, in chicago doesn't develop products for the z (n/m) - vulcanrush 15:16:32 11/30/10 That could also be said in regards to AMS-Canada - SilverTwin(OH) 15:30:07 11/30/10 lol (n/m) - zgene4 18:30:27 11/30/10 Clarification - kuah@splparts.com 16:18:23 11/30/10 thank you. so dont buy from either. correct? (n/m) - new2boost 17:35:06 11/30/10 the ams in chicago seems to be pretty good - vulcanrush 17:39:08 11/30/10 Do you need EVO or DSM parts? - zgene4 18:33:02 11/30/10 actually yes my best friend has a dsm so his gf asked me - new2boost 19:43:12 11/30/10 Oh please. - Bernie (NoVA) 22:20:22 12/02/10 AMS USA is also making some kick ass GT-R's (n/m) - Adam (NoVA) 20:04:29 11/30/10 AMS-USA is :ThumbsUp: but ams-Canada is :ThumbsDown: - Spongerider :) 13:11:20 11/30/10 Your search for vuk returned 677 hits in 10.703 seconds (n/m) - Adam (NoVA) 12:55:40 11/30/10 for the *most* part: ignorance and subjectiveness - evan_aggie 12:59:09 11/30/10 it DOES stifle innovation - vulcanrush 13:02:32 11/30/10 *shrug*. SZ will sell you inlet pipes for $200. - evan_aggie 13:07:37 11/30/10 I was most concerned with raw materials for parts - blackomega 13:05:36 11/30/10 I totally agree that there is alot of fraudulent paperwork - new2boost 13:09:15 11/30/10 your SZ 3" 5bolt DP's were made in China, fyi - nissansx 13:10:46 11/30/10 mine are custom, fyi. not SZ (n/m) - blackomega 13:15:42 11/30/10 But I get your point. - blackomega 13:30:10 11/30/10 Bingo. SZ offers a choice and has assurances in play. - SeedyROM 16:10:07 11/30/10 agreed (n/m) - nissansx 19:40:31 11/30/10 Weren't some of SZ's exhaust products made in Mexico? (n/m) - jschrauwen 11:27:01 12/01/10 Country of origin is not a concern - BigTDogg (MA) 11:46:54 12/01/10 Makes sense. - jschrauwen 13:39:09 12/01/10 I'm not doing your boy's work for him. (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 13:47:06 12/01/10 Bah - we all know that time is better spent w. bizzos @ SEMA (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 14:01:24 12/01/10 AMS's initial manifold maker from Asia was scrapped. - jschrauwen 11:24:42 12/01/10 Well that is good to hear. (n/m) - blackomega 15:07:21 12/01/10 That's an oxymoron - kind of like Jumbo Shrimp - HighPsi (NorCal) 15:31:29 12/01/10 prolly more like they were pissed that the mfr sold overrun. - vorpalZ 23:35:38 12/01/10 pulleys misaligned by 10%, holes in manifold walls, all the - LJZTT 14:31:28 11/30/10 I have firsthand data with their manifolds, O2 sensors and - ZiNnYc 14:47:23 11/30/10 O2 sensors - Hyjaxe 15:12:16 11/30/10 re: o2 sensorz - blackomega 15:22:23 11/30/10 seriously...anyone who would consider going cheap on sensors - LJZTT 16:33:01 11/30/10 Actually, as long as theyre not Chinese and similar garbage - ZiNnYc 17:16:51 11/30/10 Its not fair to say Mike Smith overpriced his manifolds - kuah@splparts.com 16:34:36 11/30/10 agreed - aliaZ 16:42:56 11/30/10 Re: agreed - induetime 16:48:54 11/30/10 I understand the initial costs. - ZiNnYc 16:56:37 11/30/10 Actually Mike Smith told me he was selling the manifolds - kuah@splparts.com 17:22:55 11/30/10 Funny - we both used iPods as examples in our replies. :-) (n/m) - Dave N 17:35:15 11/30/10 Amortization of the R&D and tooling costs can take months or - Dave N 17:33:24 11/30/10 "copying parts stifles" statement doesn't get much attention - BigTDogg (MA) 08:12:40 12/01/10 it was also a process that took several years - Adam (NoVA) 20:06:00 11/30/10 Then don't buy them...... - The Hawk 18:39:59 11/30/10 Hmmm... guess they even copied the name "AMS" :-P - ZXoltan 19:51:24 11/30/10 different logo, but i agree otherwise. (n/m) - ZiNnYc 20:05:19 11/30/10 personally i would have to say it comes down the business - fst300zx 13:19:50 11/30/10 I had picked up AMS suspension parts from Z1 - Shiers69 14:02:26 11/30/10 here are some good posts for you - vulcanrush 15:30:07 11/30/10 Thanks for the link. I will never buy from AMS. (n/m) - new2boost 15:36:53 11/30/10 Don't think of buying AMS manifolds. - SimaYi 15:58:03 11/30/10 because this is what they consider innovation: - vorpalZ 17:55:51 11/30/10 I'm sorry but I don't see any difference in what that image - Multi_Read (MO) 18:46:38 11/30/10 oh dear, you mean to say - vorpalZ 22:03:23 11/30/10 You are one funny man Rob! (n/m) - MeatMan - 604Z.ca - 22:39:44 11/30/10 Nope, just an option. Just like the others. - jschrauwen 14:29:33 12/01/10 *chuckle* I hope you get paid - vorpalZ 23:29:20 12/01/10 1) The owner is an imbecile who doesn't care about the Z - BigTDogg (MA) 18:53:45 11/30/10 *applause sound* - Multi_Read (MO) 19:12:05 11/30/10 hmm, curious.. - nissansx 19:38:09 11/30/10 Nothing, same deal. BTW, you linked to the exhaust page - BigTDogg (MA) 19:44:41 11/30/10 ..."and look at the first three products listed..." (n/m) - ZiNnYc 19:51:23 11/30/10 I bought the Alloy Toyz testpipes because - Mr.Stacy 10:35:11 12/01/10 If you have a magnet handy, can you check the TPs to see - BigTDogg (MA) 11:48:47 12/01/10 I can. Will shoot you an email later this week. (n/m) - Mr.Stacy 14:24:53 12/01/10 Coz doesn't act like a douche on the forums, calling anyone - black300zx 20:56:52 11/30/10 but Coz sells Vuk's products.. (n/m) - nissansx 21:57:59 11/30/10 Coz didn't copy massives - FuerGrissa 21:47:03 11/30/10 agree (n/m) - aliaZ 07:03:56 12/01/10 who cares? he's not exactly a darling of the community - LJZTT 06:02:02 12/01/10 Yep, felt like a kick in the junk when I read "coming clean" (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 06:12:21 12/01/10 like i said - Adam (NoVA) 19:50:59 11/30/10 But if he doesn't know who F__kFace Vuk is, he can't search (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 19:59:43 11/30/10 RAWR!!! - Adam (NoVA) 20:02:47 11/30/10 True dat, no worries - BigTDogg (MA) 22:01:08 11/30/10 awesome (n/m) - aliaZ 21:54:17 11/30/10 I am running 3 AMS parts on my Z right now... - flashstar 22:24:48 11/30/10 I would be 100x more concerned about the pulley than - LJZTT 05:56:40 12/01/10 lol You didn't search hard enough. Not nearly. (n/m) - ZLover4Life 19:29:52 11/30/10 Perhaps I can be of some assistance? (n/m) - S e a r c h 19:39:42 11/30/10 I hate you for thinking of that first. X-@ (n/m) - CoHPhasor 20:23:41 11/30/10 . - Halo TTZ 07:05:02 12/01/10 Pretty much sums it up. (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 08:13:08 12/01/10
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